Christian: I heard you use "logical binds" and "logical self-contradiction" in your speech. You did say that?
Atheist: I used that phrase, yes.
Christian: Do you believe there are laws of logic then?
Atheist: Absolutely.
Christian: Are they universal?
Atheist: They are agreed upon by human beings not realizing it is just out in nature.
Christian: Are they simply conventions then?
Atheist: They are conventions that are self-verifying.
Christian: Are they sociological laws or laws of thought?
Atheist: They are laws of thought which are interpreted by man.
Christian: Are they material in nature?
Atheist: How could a law be material?
Christian: That's the question I'm going to ask you.
Atheist: I would say no...Would you call God material or immaterial?
Christian: Immaterial.
Atheist: What is something that's immaterial?
Christian: Something not extended in space.
Atheist: Can you give me any other example, other than God, that's immaterial?
Christian: The laws of logic
Taken from the Great Debate, Bahnsen vs Stein at UC Irnvine, 1985
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